Episode 6: Televerde


Originally released on October 18, 2020, Episode 6 of 10 Things You Should Know About Stakeholder Capitalism tells the story of Christin Swansinger, one of an estimated 17 million Americans that has been sent to prison.  Christin got out and like ⅔ of people who are released from prison, she reoffended and was sent back in.


That’s when Christin met Televerde, a call center that operates inside of several prisons in the U.S. that provide excellent service to their customers while helping inmates to establish a foundation that will set them up for success after their release.

In 2019, the Conscious Capitalism Annual Conference came to Phoenix and Amanda and Nathan collaborated on a mainstage presentation that would use the power of storytelling to help the audience understand Televerde, and through it, one of the most harmful systems of descrimination that is hiding in plain sight in the vast majority of companies: The Box.

Here are the stories in the order they were told on stage that night.  Each one received a standing ovation.

This is just one example of the ways in which businesses are complicit in systemic discrimination, and of the opportunity and the power businesses have to counter, and even dismantle those same systems.


If you liked the music we featured in this episode, you can find more of that here:

Mr. Moo

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Young Oceans



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